Rotary Plasma Swapped Axis posting mirrored gcode

I just noticed it after some successful cuts, that when i have a non concentric shape to scribe (or probably cut) it is mirroring the text. It shows up fine in SC, but in Mach, it is mirrored and cuts mirrored.

Not sure if it is something to do with the swapped axis post, or just the scribe portion, but something is not right.

I do not want to fix it by changing direction of the axis in mach, as it is working perfect on flat sheet with another post, and jogging keys are correct for the table. It would get confusing if it was one way for flat sheet and opposite for tube cutting.

Brian

So i figured out that it is actually also plasma cutting in the opposite direction, instead of passenger side of torch on part side, it is putting the drivers side of the torch on the part side. I believe this could be fixed by changing the direction of my x and A axis (because it coordinates square tube corners correctly currently) in mach, but the y axis is cutting correctly as i see it. I dont really want to do that, because then my jog controls will be backwards for X only when tube cutting, but normal for flat sheet.

What i dont understand about this, is that on both flat and tube applications i have the lower left corner 0, and i am using the swapped axis post, so i believe what i am seeing on the screen laying in front of me would just be rotated 90 degrees because of the swap,which is what the y axis is doing, but why is the x now needing the direction reversed? Is there an error in the post, or in my assumptions?

I could probably make another clone of the mach profile and make the necessary changes, but if i dont have to, that would be better, so i can easily and quickly switch from flat to tube without closing, and opening another mach, referencing, etc.

Can i reverse the direction of output for X in the post? Any ideas?

well in case anyone else has this problem, and unless anyone else has a better fix, i have made a copy of my mach 3 profile, I tried changing direction of the X in ports and pins, bu the toolpath was still showing mirrored, so instead of that, i have changed the x scale from +1 to -1 on the MDI tab (i think thats were it was at) and swapped the A axis in ports and pins so that A and X will work together properly. This changes the toolpath to look correct, like it does in the cam drawing. This still leads me to believe the swapped axis post is what is causing the problem, but atleast it is working with a reasonable fix.

Now for a few other bugs.

Brian

I’ve got to say, you’ve got it going. It doesn’t come easy by any means. You must have a good understanding of what’s happening to pull off that type of project.

Thank you for posting the progress / information and the photos…!

It’s been in the back of my mind to build and install a rotary axis to my plasma machine, but for me, it would be quite a challenge.

If you are willing, may I e-mail you for advice and a few hints if I take on the job? The machine work and fabrication is really the easy part, but the computer stuff will put me in a tail spin.

I just don’t do enough computer & Mach configuration to keep it in mind… It fades so quickly…

Your rotary positioner looks nice too. I’ve been wanting to build one with a larger through hole. At least one as big as the chuck. I’d use three bearings on the O.D. of the shaft instead of one large one… Just another thought.

Thanks, Aj

ajclay@cox.net

Sure, you can. The computer stuff sometimes makes me pull my hair out (literally sometimes lol), but I eventually get there if nobody else chimes in to help out with their knowledge. It seems that Les probably has huge mountains of work in front of him to do, and taking care of 1 individuals needs instead of working on the program which affects many is priority, which i dont blame him, i understand. It is sometimes aggravating as it seems there may not be an answer coming from anyone if i cant figure it out. It may not all be written by the book like Les would do it, but usually in the end i come to a reasonable solution.

Sure your method would work. More than 1 way to skin a cat. Larger through hole would be nice for long tubes, but i would do it a different way. I debated about doing something more involved, and i would, if i had more space, and more demand for this process, i would actually use another axis and motor so that the tube is held from a bearing support at the edge of the table, and the rotary chuck is as far as 24ft from the table clamping the tube (if you need that much tubing capacity) and have another bearing rail and drive to actually move the chuck forward instead of the plasma axis for that movement, so it would be supported very well at the end and cutting location, and a person could load a full stick and cut it all into pieces while doing something else. If you did not have room for more electronics, one could gear it the same as the current table axis, and then just unplug the motor cable to the table and plug it into the rotary chucks forward movement axis and be good to go (or install a 4pole switch like i have for switching my control box motors to a second machine).

I decided on this route for now, because i have limited space and my use for the attachment is currently only a few parts that i make small batches occasionally. It does not require any extra space, as it is out of the way on the back of the table when not in use, and requires no extra setup time (besides zeroing it in, etc) attaching extra pieces that will have to be removed to then cut flat sheet.

Brian

Thanks so much for the reply. It’s hard to find someone to bounce ideas and
questions off of. The other fellow that commented on you post yesterday…
Sean, he’s a good guy in Ireland and we’ve been swapping e-mails for a good
while. Make note of him…

Anyway, I may just start the project for my plasma in the near future.

Take care. If I could help I would, but you’re a little over my knowledge
base on the computer issues.

Keep me in the loop on your next project and I’ll try and do the same.

Take care,

Aj


AJ Clayton
Awning & Sheet Metal LLC
866 Madeline Ct
Baton Rouge, LA 70815
225-926-9562
awningandsheetmetalbr.com
ajclay@cox.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfes Metal Fab [mailto:sales@wolfesmetalfabrication.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:15 PM
To: problems@forum.sheetcam.com
Subject: Re: Rotary Plasma Swapped Axis posting mirrored gcode

Sure, you can. The computer stuff sometimes makes me pull my hair out
(literally sometimes lol), but I eventually get there if nobody else chimes
in to help out with their knowledge.

Sure your method would work. More than 1 way to skin a cat. I debated
about doing something more involved, and i would, if i had more space, and
more demand for this process, i would actually use another axis and motor so
that the tube is held from a bearing support at the edge of the table, and
the rotary chuck is as far as 24ft from the table clamping the tube (if you
need that much tubing capacity) and have another bearing rail and drive to
actually move the chuck forward instead of the plasma axis for that
movement, so it would be supported very well at the end and cutting
location, and a person could load a full stick and cut it all into pieces
while doing something else.

I decided on this route for now, because i have limited space and my use for
the attachment is currently only a few parts that i make small batches
occasionally. It does not require any extra space, as it is out of the way
on the back of the table when not in use, and requires no extra setup time
(besides zeroing it in, etc) attaching extra pieces that will have to be
removed to then cut flat sheet.

Brian




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I decided i better make sure you had my email unless you found it from my website yourself.

Also, your plasma table looks nice, i am always curious about everybody’s ideas, so i will page through your build and take a peek.

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Brian Wolfe

AJ, that is quit a document you put together on your build! Do you want to come put one together for me? LOL Your build has some similarities to mine with the inverted gear rack, gear reduction and spring loaded motor/gear mounts. How is your optical height sensing working? All i use is a floating mount with spring return pressure and a microswitch that triggers when the torch tip hits the material, and then the program backs off the measured amount of offset.

For making sure THC is set proper, just make sure by close measuring and making sure it is repeatable that the torch is at the exact right cut height after referencing and going to cut height (.080 or .0625 for me depending on tip), and adjust the ipm to get just the right amount of laglines in the cut, read the dross to tell if you are fast or slow, and then start another cut and read the voltage it puts out when in the initial portion of the cut after stabilized, set the THC to those volts and turn it on, nothing hard or guessing, and it can be set a few volts different for different tips that are worn more or less.

I have been told by a local guy who works for a large company that has a 1/2 Million $ or more machine that my table (when im not squeezing the last bit of life from my consumables) that i have much better cut quality than they do, and they have gas assist industrial plasma, and i have a standard 60amp handtorch air plasma.

I have had some interest in the table, and i have debated making a kit for some people to put together themselves, as i probably could not be competitive with big companies building the whole thing, but could be with supply the engineered hard part and letting the fabricators do what they do and build the rest, run wires for the control box, etc, with my gained knowledge of what works and what doesn’t, proper give and take of accuracy and speed, motor power, power supply size, using the Ethernet smoothstepper to get away from the parallel port, what tolerances are important, and which ones are not so much as THC keeps the torch were it needs to be. Proper cable shielding, grounding, optical isolation, etc…the list goes on and on.

My design is a fairly simple one that is nice and compact with all working parts, switches, etc on the gantry so you just make it the width you want, and then make the table the length you want and it can be easily made larger if needed. This is my 2nd table, the first one was really crude with scavenged parts and it was used to make the money for the 2nd one. There are still things that i might do just a little different, but most of them have a reason why they were done that way.

Adding the downdraft ventilation was another one of those really glad that i did things that didn’t really take long and wasn’t too expensive. I used an old good sized squirrel cage fan so the motor doesn’t see excessive soot, and it can be blown out easily and actually REALLY SUCKS! In a good way that is. :slight_smile:

I may have to take some videos doing an overview of the table and control box, talking about some of the important parts in depth. I can spend some time doing this, but if i am going to take too long with it, i need to figure out how to be somewhat profitable with the time spent, as i have a family to support. :slight_smile:

Sorry for the long post filled with excitement, reading your build log quickly, kind of gave me flash backs to the long journey of research, learning, and trial and error of building mine!

Brian

Brian,

Thank you… I’ll make note of the e-mail address…

If you have something youre working on and want an opinion or idea, just
drop a note. I maybe able to help… never know…

later, Aj

AJ Clayton
Awning & Sheet Metal LLC
866 Madeline Ct
Baton Rouge, LA 70815
225-926-9562
awningandsheetmetalbr.com
ajclay@cox.net


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I decided i better make sure you had my email unless you found it from my
website yourself.

sales@wolfesmetalfabrication.com
www.wolfesmetalfabrication.com

Brian Wolfe




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Hi Brian,

I’m really sorry it has taken me this long to respond. I’ve been working away from the office. Give the attached post a try.

Not a problem Les, i totally understand. I will look it over and try it to see if it is better than what i have done already.

EDIT: I had tried to introduce a negative in about half a dozen different ways, but failed with all of them. This one is so simple i will be happy and pissed if it works. ;p

Thanks
Brian

It seems to have worked. I tried to look at yours and see that you just added a - on that axis for lines and arcs. Tried to modify mine (as i have made other modifications and it came up blank) I probably missed something or made an error. I will combine the 2 to do what i need.

Did you remember to add the - on the I word for arcs?

Yes i did, i did not however have the…

if(endX < 1e17) then

in the rapid section before
post.Modal X

I dont understand that, but when i finished that time it worked.

i have responded to the other post you were requesting pp job and gcode so you can see were i am at.