Nesting software???

Jim Starr · Post by **Jim Starr** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:15 am

Hello all,

Still considering myself a newbie at cnc stuff, have a question; what nesting software would likely be recommended; i.e., the most popular, useful, etc. I'm not at all fond of subscription products.

Jim

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:36 am

what design software are you using?
dick

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Jim

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jims5green · Post by **jims5green** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:02 am

Dick,

I'm using turbo cad platinum 15, but I'm going with Rhino soon as it comes. Coral draw 4 w/all the bells and whistles and I use Mach 3.

Jim

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what design software are you using?
dick

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Hello all,

Still considering myself a newbie at cnc stuff, have a question; what nesting software would likely be recommended; i.e., the most popular, useful, etc. I'm not at all fond of subscription products.

Jim

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:53 am

hi jim

sorry, i forgot that you listed your software during our last discussion.

it has been awhile since i have seen anything about the nesting program that was mentioned on our forum. there was a testing period and then nothing.

for coreldraw, go to macromonster.com and search for nesting. there are three products. i looked at the demos. i sort of lean to ecut. but i don't want to get it until i upgrade our main design computer. the author is russian. and i am guessing there is a lot of paranoia in the russian development community. at least for mr. penkin. you get one chance to install. then if you upgrade your computer you have to buy a new license. at least corel lets you call in for a new activation key if you upgrade your system.

one of these days i will get all three and compare. i will also get penkin's cadtool plugin. for a plugin it seems to have a ton of features. if i can play inside coreldraw i might actually use cad for some of our designs. with cadtool you get three installs with your license. that feels better.

you other sheetcamers, any other ideas on nesting? i have seen some high end nesting programs. for high end pricing. haven't needed nesting that much.

dick

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:59 PM, <jims5green@aol.com (jims5green@aol.com)> wrote:

Dick,

I'm using turbo cad platinum 15, but I'm going with Rhino soon as it comes. Coral draw 4 w/all the bells and whistles and I use Mach 3.

Jim

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what design software are you using?
dick

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Hello all,

Still considering myself a newbie at cnc stuff, have a question; what nesting software would likely be recommended; i.e., the most popular, useful, etc. I'm not at all fond of subscription products.

Jim

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Pete Stenabaugh · Post by **Pete Stenabaugh** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:21 am

If anyone is looking seriously for nesting software - take a look at Vcarve (www.vectric.com). It includes full automatic nesting capabilities for about $500. You can output the file to dxf and then run the plasma post for your gcode from Sheetcam.

The other upside with Vcarve is that it will handle all your needs for text input as well, since it is designed for signage as well as many other things.

Try out the trial version to see if it will do what you need…….

Pete

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:30 pm

hi all

to tell you how little we need nesting software, i looked in my downloaded macros and found that i had purchased the gdg nest coreldraw plugin. (macromonster.com -- an amazing collection of macro plug-ins for coreldraw) there it was, in the macro list in my coreldraw.

coreldraw is so fast in copying (duplicating), moving objects (parts) and aligning everything it is seldom that i bother with nesting software.

so i tested gdg nest. i grabbed a old file. i wanted test on a file with all sorts of shapes. not a run of 100 of the same thing. this is a dinosaur where i had scanned in the wooden pieces and modified everything to fit together using 10 ga metal. the file has 28 objects: ribs, backbone, legs, etc. i set the parameters in the gdg nest macro and let it run.

the first thing i noticed was how long it took to process. process explorer (a little freebie from microsoft) says that coreldraw is using between 60 and 93% of the cpu while the nesting is running. this computer is running on a intel pent 4, 2g ram, xp pro sp3. a little old, but like i said before, in the process of upgrading. sort of waiting for the cpu i want to be on sale.

ran the file three times with slightly different parameters. the nesting took approximately 20 minutes each time. i was able to manually nest in about 10 minutes. but while gdg nest was running i was answering emails.

not a bad program for $15. i did look a little closer at the art optimizing program. it is not a nesting program. you have to run a nesting program and then it will optimize the cutting sequence. might be useful. especially if you find that sheetcam doesn't always make the best choices for its sequences. don't know if the squencing will translate into sheetcam.

the demo for ecut is pretty fast. i tried it some time ago. don't remember the results exactly. but the demo changes the shapes slightly so you cannot use it to completely test a file to cutting. the author's paranoia again?

peter
will try the vcarve demo. never really looked at it. figured it was mainly for routing and overkill for plasma.

dick

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Peter Stenabaugh <pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)> wrote:

If anyone is looking seriously for nesting software - take a look at Vcarve (www.vectric.com). It includes full automatic nesting capabilities for about $500. You can output the file to dxf and then run the plasma post for your gcode from Sheetcam.

The other upside with Vcarve is that it will handle all your needs for text input as well, since it is designed for signage as well as many other things.

Try out the trial version to see if it will do what you need…….

Pete

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jims5green · Post by **jims5green** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:19 am

Dick, back at cha...

Thanks for the info.

Best,
Jim

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hi jim

sorry, i forgot that you listed your software during our last discussion.

it has been awhile since i have seen anything about the nesting program that was mentioned on our forum. there was a testing period and then nothing.

for coreldraw, go to macromonster.com and search for nesting. there are three products. i looked at the demos. i sort of lean to ecut. but i don't want to get it until i upgrade our main design computer. the author is russian. and i am guessing there is a lot of paranoia in the russian development community. at least for mr. penkin. you get one chance to install. then if you upgrade your computer you have to buy a new license. at least corel lets you call in for a new activation key if you upgrade your system.

one of these days i will get all three and compare. i will also get penkin's cadtool plugin. for a plugin it seems to have a ton of features. if i can play inside coreldraw i might actually use cad for some of our designs. with cadtool you get three installs with your license. that feels better.

you other sheetcamers, any other ideas on nesting? i have seen some high end nesting programs. for high end pricing. haven't needed nesting that much.

dick

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:59 PM, <jims5green@aol.com (jims5green@aol.com)> wrote:

Dick,

I'm using turbo cad platinum 15, but I'm going with Rhino soon as it comes. Coral draw 4 w/all the bells and whistles and I use Mach 3.

Jim

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Subject: Re: [sheetcam] Nesting software???

what design software are you using?
dick

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jim Starr <jimsfivegreen@yahoo.com (jimsfivegreen@yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Still considering myself a newbie at cnc stuff, have a question; what nesting software would likely be recommended; i.e., the most popular, useful, etc. I'm not at all fond of subscription products.

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:22 am

thanks pete

i downloaded the trial version last night. i will play a little bit. if stumped will call on ya.

btw, i ran gdg nest on the shop computer last night. instead of 20 minutes it nested everything in 6 minutes. same processor, only 1.5 gig of memory. might show just how much stuff i have loaded on my main design computer. the shop machine only runs a couple of applications. hardly anything at startup. when i get the new processor and get everything running, i am going to whittle down the start menu with a vengeance.

dick

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Peter Stenabaugh <pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)> wrote:

Dick, I have a copy of Vcarve 5. I haven't used the nesting option yet, but if you would like to give it a try, send me a dxf file to my personal email : westernmarketing@shaw.ca (westernmarketing@shaw.ca) and I will run it for you as a test to see how it works. I know from the tutorials that it will do automatic nesting, but I don’t think it is intelligent enough to do nesting with a grain (for wood or polished stainless).
Yes Vcarve is ideally suited for routing and doing signs, but since it has such a fantastic viewer, I use it for machining projects as well, so that I can see the finished result. The resulting .jpg files are perfect to send to a customer for project approval. The viewer is extremely accurate - even showing small islands that might be left.
Vcarve could also be used to preview a plasma cut, by merely specifying the size of the cutter. You can apply lots of metal appearances to the material to help with visualization.
Pete

On 3/5/2011 11:26:42 AM, Dick Douglas (dick@lazertrix.com (dick@lazertrix.com)) wrote:
hi all

to tell you how little we need nesting software, i looked in my downloaded
macros and found that i had purchased the gdg nest coreldraw plugin.
(macromonster.com [link: macromonster.com] -- an amazing collection of
macro plug-ins for coreldraw) there it was, in the macro list in my
coreldraw.

coreldraw is so fast in copying (duplicating), moving objects (parts) and
aligning everything it is seldom that i bother with nesting software.

so i tested gdg nest. i grabbed a old file. i wanted test on a file with
all sorts of shapes. not a run of 100 of the same thing. this is a
dinosaur where i had scanned in the wooden pieces and modified everything
to fit together using 10 ga metal. the file has 28 objects: ribs, backbone,
legs, etc. i set the parameters in the gdg nest macro and let it run.

the first thing i noticed was how long it took to process. process
explorer (a little freebie from microsoft) says that coreldraw is using
between 60 and 93% of the cpu while the nesting is running. this computer
is running on a intel pent 4, 2g ram, xp pro sp3. a little old, but like i
said before, in the process of upgrading. sort of waiting for the cpu i
want to be on sale.

ran the file three ti

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Pete Stenabaugh · Post by **Pete Stenabaugh** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:22 am

Dick, I have a copy of Vcarve 5. I haven't used the nesting option yet, but if you would like to give it a try, send me a dxf file to my personal email : westernmarketing@shaw.ca and I will run it for you as a test to see how it works. I know from the tutorials that it will do automatic nesting, but I don’t think it is intelligent enough to do nesting with a grain (for wood or polished stainless).
Yes Vcarve is ideally suited for routing and doing signs, but since it has such a fantastic viewer, I use it for machining projects as well, so that I can see the finished result. The resulting .jpg files are perfect to send to a customer for project approval. The viewer is extremely accurate - even showing small islands that might be left.
Vcarve could also be used to preview a plasma cut, by merely specifying the size of the cutter. You can apply lots of metal appearances to the material to help with visualization.
Pete

On 3/5/2011 11:26:42 AM, Dick Douglas (dick@lazertrix.com) wrote:

hi all

to tell you how little we need nesting software, i looked in my downloaded
macros and found that i had purchased the gdg nest coreldraw plugin.
(macromonster.com [link: macromonster.com] -- an amazing collection of
macro plug-ins for coreldraw) there it was, in the macro list in my
coreldraw.

coreldraw is so fast in copying (duplicating), moving objects (parts) and
aligning everything it is seldom tha t i bother with nesting software.

so i tested gdg nest. i grabbed a old file. i wanted test on a file with
all sorts of shapes. not a run of 100 of the same thing. this is a
dinosaur where i had scanned in the wooden pieces and modified everything
to fit together using 10 ga metal. the file has 28 objects: ribs, backbone,
legs, etc. i set the parameters in the gdg nest macro and let it run.

the first thing i noticed was how long it took to process. process
explorer (a little freebie from microsoft) says that coreldraw is using
between 60 and 93% of the cpu while the nesting is running. this computer
is running on a intel pent 4, 2g ram, xp pro sp3. a little old, but like i
said before, in the process of upgrading. sort of waiting for the cpu i
want to be on sale. >
ran the file three ti

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Les Newell · Post by **Les Newell** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:26 pm

Nesting usually relies on raw processing power so uninstalling programs will probably not make much difference. Watch the hard drive light on your slow computer while nesting. If the light stays on or flashes a lot then you may benefit from more memory.

Les

On 07/03/2011 03:53, Dick Douglas wrote:

thanks pete

i downloaded the trial version last night. i will play a little bit. if stumped will call on ya.

btw, i ran gdg nest on the shop computer last night. instead of 20 minutes it nested everything in 6 minutes. same processor, only 1.5 gig of memory. might show just how much stuff i have loaded on my main design computer. the shop machine only runs a couple of applications. hardly anything at startup. when i get the new processor and get everything running, i am going to whittle down the start menu with a vengeance.

dick

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Les Newell · Post by **Les Newell** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:02 pm

As you may already know SheetCam will work very well with MyNesting
<http://www.mynesting.com/>. You can download a plugin from the SheetCam
website that integrates MyNesting into SheetCam. From my tests,
MyNesting does produce some very tight layouts. It is a type of
subscription service in that you pay per nest. This is very cost
effective if you are a fairly light user. As you are a fairly new to
this, you may want to try MyNesting to see if nesting will do what you
want.

I had a chat with Glenn Whitwell who is the author of MyNesting and he
may consider a slightly cut down version as a single payment license.
The issue is of course how much it will cost. I can afford to sell
SheetCam at a low price because I sell a lot of copies. Nesting is more
specialized so there are likely to be fewer sales and the price has to
be higher to make it viable. The question is, how much would you be
willing to pay for a nesting package?

Les

On 05/03/2011 03:13, Jim Starr wrote:

Hello all,

Still considering myself a newbie at cnc stuff, have a question; what nesting software would likely be recommended; i.e., the most popular, useful, etc. I'm not at all fond of subscription products.

Jim

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:41 pm

good morning (california time) les

i would agree, normally. but i have something going on with the main design computer. actually the computer where i spend the most time. the shop computer and my computer have the same processor, the shop computer has only 1.5gig memory (vs 2gig) yet the processing time is one-third when i played with the nesting plug-in.

for an exercise, i will go through a list of "speed up" tricks and see what i can do. for example i see that i have 300 fonts loaded. (i didn't check the shop computer, it is sleeping and i didn't go out to wake it up). will be good practice to clean up things. i know i have a bunch of programs loaded that i no longer used. been lazy on testing and then not removing.

i will be up in utah for a few days. when i get back i will re visit the speed question. and the need to do a bunch of house cleaning.

thanks for your reply.

dick

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Les Newell <les.newell@fastmail.co.uk (les.newell@fastmail.co.uk)> wrote:

Nesting usually relies on raw processing power so uninstalling programs will probably not make much difference. Watch the hard drive light on your slow computer while nesting. If the light stays on or flashes a lot then you may benefit from more memory.

Les

On 07/03/2011 03:53, Dick Douglas wrote:
thanks pete

i downloaded the trial version last night. i will play a little bit. if stumped will call on ya.

btw, i ran gdg nest on the shop computer last night. instead of 20 minutes it nested everything in 6 minutes. same processor, only 1.5 gig of memory. might show just how much stuff i have loaded on my main design computer. the shop machine only runs a couple of applications. hardly anything at startup. when i get the new processor and get everything running, i am going to whittle down the start menu with a vengeance.

dick

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Pete Stenabaugh · Post by **Pete Stenabaugh** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:22 pm

Dick, I played with the nesting today for about 5 minutes. That is all it will take to learn how to use it. I found it very efficient, since you can specify the allowed angle of rotation for the parts. I used an angle of 5 degree for fun. I think the smaller angles will allow for tighter nesting, but may take a bit longer. It would be simple to test a file using an angle of maybe15 degrees and again at 1 degree to see the difference. I used a file made from a large celtic knot with about 30 pieces in it. I selected 9 copies and the nesting only took about 1 minute to complete. The program put all the common parts on one sheet as much as possible, using some of the smaller pieces as fill-ins.
I think that if you are doing quite a bi t of nesting, it may be more cost effective to purchase Vcarve than use the MyNesting pay per use idea. Plus on top of that, you get lots more stuff with Vcarve that might be useful, such as the preview option…….. Who knows, maybe you'll end up buying a router……. J
Pete
On 3/6/2011 8:53:50 PM, Dick Douglas (dick@lazertrix.com) wrote:

thanks pete

i downloaded the trial version last night. i will play a little bit. if
stumped will call on ya.

btw, i ran gdg nest on the shop computer last night. instead of 20 minutes
it nested everything in 6 minutes. same processor, only 1.5 gig of memory.
might show just how much stuff i have loaded on my main design computer.
the shop machine only runs a couple of applications. hardly anything at
startup. when i get the new processor and get everything running, i am
going to whittle down the start menu with a vengeance.

dick

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[link: mailto:pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)]> wrote:</ span>

Dick, I have a copy of Vcarve 5. I haven't used the nesting option yet, but if you would like to give it a try, send me a dxf file to my personal email : westernmarketing@shaw.ca and I will run it for you as a test to see how it works. I know from the tutorials that it will do automatic nesting, but I don’t think it is intelligent enough to do nesting with a grain (for wood or polished stainless).
Yes Vcarve is ideally suited for routing and doing signs, but since it has such a fantastic viewer, I use it for machining projects as well, so that I can see the finished resul

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Dick Douglas · Post by **Dick Douglas** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:05 am

thanks alot peter

i am up in utah for a few days. my mom (90 years) has had a couple of episodes of convulsitions. probably strokes along with it. she has a great care giver. hospice nurses are monitoring. i will be back in california wednesday or thrusday. will play with vcarve then. to be honest with you, however, $500 (i didn't check the price) is way more than i want to spend for nesting plus a few other functions. we really don't need nesting software that often. but it is worth test things out.

let you know what i think after i play a little bit.

dick

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Peter Stenabaugh <pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)> wrote:

Dick, I played with the nesting today for about 5 minutes. That is all it will take to learn how to use it. I found it very efficient, since you can specify the allowed angle of rotation for the parts. I used an angle of 5 degree for fun. I think the smaller angles will allow for tighter nesting, but may take a bit longer. It would be simple to test a file using an angle of maybe15 degrees and again at 1 degree to see the difference. I used a file made from a large celtic knot with about 30 pieces in it. I selected 9 copies and the nesting only took about 1 minute to complete. The program put all the common parts on one sheet as much as possible, using some of the smaller pieces as fill-ins.
I think that if you are doing quite a bit of nesting, it may be more cost effective to purchase Vcarve than use the MyNesting pay per use idea. Plus on top of that, you get lots more stuff with Vcarve that might be useful, such as the preview option…….. Who knows, maybe you'll end up buying a router……. J
Pete
On 3/6/2011 8:53:50 PM, Dick Douglas (dick@lazertrix.com (dick@lazertrix.com)) wrote:
thanks pete

i downloaded the trial version last night. i will play a little bit. if
stumped will call on ya.

btw, i ran gdg nest on the shop computer last night. instead of 20 minutes
it nested everything in 6 minutes. same processor, only 1.5 gig of memory.
might show just how much stuff i have loaded on my main design computer.
the shop machine only runs a couple of applications. hardly anything at
startup. when i get the new processor and get everything running, i am
going to whittle down the start menu with a vengeance.

dick

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Peter Stenabaugh <pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)
[link: mailto:pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)]> wrote:

Dick, I have a copy of Vcarve 5. I haven't used the nesting option yet, but if you would like to give it a try, send me a dxf file to my personal email : westernmarketing@shaw.ca (westernmarketing@shaw.ca) and I will run it for you as a test to see how it works. I know from the tutorials that it will do automatic nesting, but I don’t think it is intelligent enough to do nesting with a grain (for wood or polished stainless).
Yes Vcarve is ideally suited for routing and doing signs, but since it has such a fantastic viewer, I use it for machining projects as well, so that I can see the finished resul

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Pete Stenabaugh · Post by **Pete Stenabaugh** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:25 am

Ok, sounds fine Dick. If you have the trial version you will be able to do some nesting with it. Do lots, while the trial version works……..

). If you only have periodic needs, maybe I can even do them for you, or if you eventually need more, maybe we can work up a contract system - it wouldn’t be very expensive as we are only talking a few minutes of work per nesting……… I normally charge $40/hr for cad work, so within that time frame I can do quite a few nests for you and email them back.
Hope your mom is doing well…..
Pete

On 3/7/2011 9:00:43 PM, Dick Douglas (dick@lazertrix.com) wrote:

thanks alot peter

i am up in utah for a few days. my mom (90 years) has had a couple of
episodes of convulsitions. probably strokes along with it. she has a
great care giver. hospice nurses are monitoring. i will be back in
california wednesday or thrusday. will play with vcarve then. to be honest
with you, however, $500 (i
didn't check the price) is way more than i want to spend for nesting plus a few other functions. we really don't
need nesting software that often. but it is worth test things out.

let you know what i think after i play a little bit.

dick

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Peter Stenabaugh <pstenabaugh@shaw.ca
[link: mailto:pstenabaugh@shaw.ca (pstenabaugh@shaw.ca)]> wrote:

Dick, I played with the nesting today for about 5 minutes. That is all it
will take to learn how to use it. I found it very efficient, since you
can specify the allowed angle of rotation for the parts. I used an angle
of 5 degree for fun. I think the smaller angles will allow for tighter
nesting, but may take a bit longer. It would be simple to test a file
using an angle of maybe15 degrees and again at 1 degree to see the
difference. I used a file made from a large celtic knot with about 30
pieces in it

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